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Title: Windows 10 support?
Post by: windows10question on July 27, 2015, 12:41:28 pm
Windows 10 will be out soon and I wanted to ask if I can upgrade my encrypted computer when it comes out?
I guess I'll have to wait for a new version of diskcryptor that supports Windows 10?
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: alkoro on July 27, 2015, 03:58:21 pm
Hi,
Great wish. As ntldr said many times - the new version /dc/ will be only after the official release of the OS. As for support for the new operating system - Windows 10  (pre-release) supported like a 8 now, too (not full, no UEFI-boot/system encryption).
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: gary89 on July 29, 2015, 08:32:56 pm
I herby confirm Diskcryptor 1.1.846.118 and Truecrypt 7.1 a work fine in Windows 10 PRO. Installation goes fine and mountig encrypted devices are mounted without any errors.

Gary
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: windows10question on July 30, 2015, 03:54:23 pm
So... Can I install Windows 10 on a Windows 7 system encrypted computer?
I guess I'll wait for now.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: alkoro on July 30, 2015, 04:33:20 pm
Hi,
I have not tried, but I think not.
At one stage of upgrade windows 10 restarts,  I'm not sure that the installer will not change the bootloader and accept DC driver into core. If the driver isn't loaded or if the boot is removed/changed - system will stuck. Better to decrypt system partiton(s) first to clean upgrade.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: gary89 on July 31, 2015, 03:54:28 am
Clean install windows 10 PRO ( ENG ). Systemencryption with Diskcryptor 1.1.846.118 seems to work fine. (AES). I didn't notice any difference from windows 8.1. Be sure to have backed up your important files if you feel unsure.

  Sincerely

    Gary.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Italick on July 31, 2015, 10:38:34 am
I'm still working on getting my machine ready for 10.

It did not install directly on my encrypted 8, which was all on a single encrypted MBR partition containing both the OS and the Windows boot manager.

I decrypted the system and converted it back from MBR to GPT for now.  I hope those changes will allow 10 to install.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: anatoly on July 31, 2015, 07:50:30 pm
ntldr
Будет ли релиз для Windows 10?
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Italick on August 01, 2015, 02:40:38 am
I got Diskcryptor system encryption working on Windows 10.  Booyah!!!

It took a day's work.

First, because I did not want a install fresh, I had to change my broken-in system so that it would boot by UEFI again.  The updater failed until I put the Windows 8 system back to "normal" with UEFI and without encryption.

Putting UEFI bootability back involved reinstalling a factory image, and then overwriting the factory OS partition with the broken-in one (decrypted for this setup).  It also involved reconfiguring the boot manager on the broken-in OS partition.

Windows 10 was then installable.

Then, it was a matter of cloning the working system out to an external drive, modifying the clone to be bootable by legacy mode, and then cloning the external drive onto the internal drive.

Finally, encrypt again.

That is approximately how it worked for me.  The process involved much trial and error and plenty of lower level details than what I mention here.

edit 1:

I'm leaving 10 for now and going back to 8.1 because I don't like forced automatic updates.

edit 2:

I've reconsidered and I am putting up with 10 for now.  I'll be content if I can delay automatic updates by disabling "Windows Update Service".  I am not against the updates, and I usually have not opted out of specific updates in the past.  I just want them to be done on my schedule, not Microsoft's schedule.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Italick on August 02, 2015, 11:22:22 pm
Something is making me nuts.

I made an image of the system partition while it was unmounted, and the size of the image was about equal to the amount of space used by files, which is significantly less than the size of the partition.  Usually, such images have taken as much space as the source partition when I used Diskcryptor with Windows 8.1.

HxD is showing me that many of my sectors within the partition are empty (full of zeroes).  I am guessing that this has something to do with "trim" on my SSD which I use to host the system.

That was not happening to me with Windows 8.1.

Another curiosity is the fact that I cloned the system to two drives (one a HDD and another a SSD), and now HxD is hardly showing me any sectors in the SSD copy that match sectors in the HDD copy.

edit 1:

I disabled "trim" in Windows.  That turned out not to be enough, so I disabled "trim" in the Diskcryptor settings.  This seems to have stopped blank sectors from appearing in my partition.  I don't remember disabling "trim" in Windows 8.1 but it seems as if the system was not trimming my SSD anyway.


edit 2:

I see my switch to Windows 10 as a success so far.  Basically, it looks like "Windows 8 lite" to me.  I don't know whether it looks lite on fresh installations.  The OS has picked up my settings from 8 and carried them over to 10, which possibly accounts for some of the liteness.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: windows10question on August 08, 2015, 01:33:31 pm
I installed Windows 10 on my parents' computers and it runs great. I like the system. I'm decrypting my SSD (which surprisingly takes only an hour) and will install Windows 10 and will leave the system unencrypted until I can be sure that encrypting the system will work without any problems.

I save important files (encrypted) online to be independent of my hard drive. Losing files or having to format wouldn't be the end of the world if I messed up. But it would be quite a hassle so I'll wait with any encryption attempts and not risk anything.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Anfinuo on August 08, 2015, 02:58:22 pm
I save important files (encrypted) online to be independent of my hard drive. Losing files or having to format wouldn't be the end of the world if I messed up. But it would be quite a hassle so I'll wait with any encryption attempts and not risk anything.
Cloud storage and "not risking" :D
But it's probably better than nothing.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: windows10question on August 13, 2015, 11:16:38 am
Cloud storage and "not risking" :D
But it's probably better than nothing.

Password-protected rar-files have AES 128-bit encryption :)
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Anfinuo on August 13, 2015, 07:18:19 pm
Cloud storage has two major risks:
And I'm not even talking about forced shutdown like the Megaupload one, or the one other storage providers did after shitting themselves.
Not to mention run of the mill bankruptcy, etc.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: xtrars on August 23, 2015, 07:32:40 pm
Password-protected rar-files have AES 128-bit encryption :)
WinRAR 5.xx support AES-256 ;)

Funktioniert mit Windows 10 (Serpent-AES für die System-HDD & AES-Twofish-Serpent für normale HDD). 
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Graycor on October 04, 2015, 08:15:35 pm
Yo. I'm trying it on a dual boot system with Xubuntu that's a throwaway just for testing it out / for fun (all on one hard drive, partitioned). So far I've run into some problems that I'm trying to work out. I've got it set up so that when I enter a password, it should boot to windows 10, and when I enter the wrong password / no password, it boots to Xubuntu. It shows me when it is correct or incorrect. In both instances, it sends it to grub and boots to Xubuntu. To be fair, I may have done something hastily without paying enough attention and made a mistake when I was setting it up. I'll test further and try different ways to make it work. At least it successfully gets to Xubuntu, which is encrypted through different means. Making a liveCD now to go play with it some more; I'm a computer science student and this is my first experience with trying to encrypt a drive, I have to say this very impressive software.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: CheetoX on January 11, 2016, 11:32:09 pm
With the Windows 10 support, will it work with the "Home" edition, or should I look to upgrade to Pro instead?  This is an older laptop and am just looking to keep it more secure than otherwise
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: CheetoX on January 12, 2016, 08:13:47 am
Hi,

Do you have any idea when the Windows 10 version of DiskCryptor will be ready?  Also will that version work okay on the Home edition of Windows 10?  I just ask because any guides that I have seen online so far have talked about the PRO version, and just wanted to make sure before I potentially lock myself out of my own hard drive...

Thanks!
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Anfinuo on January 12, 2016, 04:43:34 pm
With the Windows 10 support, will it work with the "Home" edition, or should I look to upgrade to Pro instead?  This is an older laptop and am just looking to keep it more secure than otherwise
Judging by this page:
https://diskcryptor.net/wiki/Main_Page
and lack of differencing between Starter, Home, Pro, Enterprise, Ultimate, etc., I would say it doesn't matter.
Well, unless MS removed encryption bits in non-PRO versions, or something.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: CheetoX on January 19, 2016, 08:53:24 pm
Sadly from what I am aware of, they have removed the built in encryption from any OS except for PRO...  That is my fear that I will try encrypting my HDD and all of a sudden I won't be able to access anything...  :-/
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Anfinuo on January 19, 2016, 11:33:52 pm
Sadly from what I am aware of, they have removed the built in encryption from any OS except for PRO...
I'm confused. You're worried about BitLocker, or DiskCryptor ?

That is my fear that I will try encrypting my HDD and all of a sudden I won't be able to access anything...  :-/
If MS removed encryption bits, you wont be able to encrypt at all.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: CheetoX on January 20, 2016, 02:28:34 am
DiskCryptor.  Bitlocker was removed from any but the PRO editions of any windows OS that I am aware of in recent history.  I will have to try to make a back up of my system using AOMEI and just see what I can do with DiskCryptor sometime soon
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Anfinuo on January 20, 2016, 04:08:52 pm
DiskCryptor.  Bitlocker was removed from any but the PRO editions of any windows OS that I am aware of in recent history.
I doubt that DC uses BL, so if the removed only BL, not the mentioned encryption bits, you'll probably still be able to use a third party encryption.
And judging by this:
https://support.symantec.com/en_US/article.TECH224415.html
https://veracrypt.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Supported%20Systems%20for%20System%20Encryption
I think my assumption is correct.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: artfulcat on January 31, 2016, 04:53:43 pm
So, ntldr, we have support Win10 (maybe beta-support) or not? 6 months passed from realising Windows 10. It's just question with respect.

I have Win7x64 Home Prem and I think about an upgrade to Win10 Home. I guess I must:

1) Decrypt all parts.
2) Remove bootloader and Diskcryptor.
3) Update Win7 to Win10.
3b) Make image system part.
4) Install new Diskcryptor & encrypt all again.

Maybe somebody did it and can help with that?

P.S. Sorry for my ugly English. Как-то так. :)
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: CheetoX on May 03, 2016, 05:10:59 pm
I herby confirm Diskcryptor 1.1.846.118 and Truecrypt 7.1 a work fine in Windows 10 PRO. Installation goes fine and mountig encrypted devices are mounted without any errors.

Gary

So, what will happen if I was to encrypt my HDD on my W10 HOME edition?  Probably won't be adding my sys/boot partition, so am just unsure if it will still work alright afterwards, nd what kind of protections that can give me, without adding BOOT in there..?

Is there an alternate way to add a preboot password to my system..?
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Italick on May 03, 2016, 06:37:22 pm
Hi.  If you are running a computer that has a UEFI boot mechanism, you need to use a workaround in order to get Windows 10 encrypted and running with Diskcryptor.

I have discussed such a workaround here:

https://diskcryptor.net/forum/index.php?topic=5132

Possibly, Windows 10 could be installed and encrypted without the workaround if the computer does not implement UEFI.  (I have not tried that yet.)  Computers marketed with Windows 8, 8.1, and 10 have been required to implement UEFI.

You may succeed in using Diskcryptor to encrypt Windows 10 on a computer that uses UEFI without using the workaround.  The result is a computer with a system that does not start.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: vldanv on July 29, 2016, 03:58:39 pm
In my opinion this product is dead. This software several times lost headers on encrypted disk, I've lost a lot of time to restore access to data. In my opinion, the installation of this software on Windows 10 very dangerous for the integrity of the data.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Anfinuo on July 29, 2016, 10:42:13 pm
In my opinion, the installation of this software on Windows 10 very dangerous for the integrity of the data.
You do realize that Windows 10 isn't supported by DC, and if you wanna go through with it anyway, you can only blame yourself for any damage ?
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: oneone on July 31, 2016, 07:51:24 pm
Вот и прошел год с момента выпуска 10-ки. Хотелось бы все же знать, выйдет ли dc под нее? Программа просто отличная, но стали посещать мысли что ее постигает такой же финал с прекращением развития как и трукрипт  :'( вот только ожидать форка в случае dc не приходится.
Раньше ntldr отказывался от добровольных пожертвований разработчику, может он все таки согласится выпустить новую версию если общественность это дело проспонсирует?

Это конечно целиком его дело, но проект имеет большую значимость в наше время, а достойных простых альернатив единицы и очень обидно, если ntldr забросит разработку просто потому что больше не интересно, при том что уверен найдется множество людей, готовых скинуться чтобы заплатить за его труд.

Проще говоря, ИМХО, несколько морально безответственно прекращать разработку такого проекта, тем более если труд при желании может быть оплачен.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: anatoly on September 01, 2016, 03:16:05 pm
ntldr отказывался от финансовой поддержки чтобы потом не быть объектом наезда со стороны компетентных органов и поэтому не выдает свою личность и не принимает финансовую помощь. Ну раз пока форум жив шансы на развитие проекта хоть и минимальные но есть.
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: HansDampfDe on September 01, 2016, 07:55:43 pm
Is it planned to get officially Windows 10 support in the next near future? I tried to use diskcryptor with UEFI but it didn't work... Currently I'm using Microsoft's Bitlocker but actually I would prefer diskcryptor...  ???
Title: Re: Windows 10 support?
Post by: Anfinuo on September 04, 2016, 11:13:21 am
You're confusing things - UEFI isn't a part of Windows 10, so you don't need Win 10 support, you need UEFI support.
Or just simply don't use that "awesome" feature:
https://diskcryptor.net/forum/index.php?topic=5132